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		<title>By: Yash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow once again u prove my comments in many other of your blogs earlier

&quot;Socio-economic class struggle… Err. A certain Ms. Roy would certainly approve of that characterisation by General Kapoor. However, going by the very public pronouncements by Union Home Minister, this certainly is not the official position of the Government of India.&quot;

What is maoism?? please read about it once. don&#039;t talk like Arnab Goswami, without base, just riding on other&#039;s ideas. 

If the govt, or the Police Forces (including PMF) are not able to deal with something which is affecting 14 states (14 STATES OUT OF 28, 50%) then we need to disintegrate. the possible options are 

Hindi (or near hindi) states
NE states
South Indian States
central states
(and of course) J&amp;K

Or

agree out stalk is bad and we need to change and be more centralist, the way USA became a state ( u wouldn&#039;t be able to escape this conflict by being an armchair journalist, u would have to take part in this).

DECISION IS YOURS.

Don&#039;t blame the chief for saying what is obvious. when he doesn&#039;t speak, u complain, and when he speaks, again u   complain. 

WHAT DO U WANT?????????????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow once again u prove my comments in many other of your blogs earlier</p>
<p>&#8220;Socio-economic class struggle… Err. A certain Ms. Roy would certainly approve of that characterisation by General Kapoor. However, going by the very public pronouncements by Union Home Minister, this certainly is not the official position of the Government of India.&#8221;</p>
<p>What is maoism?? please read about it once. don&#8217;t talk like Arnab Goswami, without base, just riding on other&#8217;s ideas. </p>
<p>If the govt, or the Police Forces (including PMF) are not able to deal with something which is affecting 14 states (14 STATES OUT OF 28, 50%) then we need to disintegrate. the possible options are </p>
<p>Hindi (or near hindi) states<br />
NE states<br />
South Indian States<br />
central states<br />
(and of course) J&amp;K</p>
<p>Or</p>
<p>agree out stalk is bad and we need to change and be more centralist, the way USA became a state ( u wouldn&#8217;t be able to escape this conflict by being an armchair journalist, u would have to take part in this).</p>
<p>DECISION IS YOURS.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t blame the chief for saying what is obvious. when he doesn&#8217;t speak, u complain, and when he speaks, again u   complain. </p>
<p>WHAT DO U WANT?????????????</p>
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		<title>By: DA Lal</title>
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		<dc:creator>DA Lal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a well known fact that no Army Chief is allowed to speak his mind.From Sam to Rody to Malik to Kapoor.Recently the Navel Vice Chief had to render apology  for speaking his mind.Then, why blame them.They are made/expected to speak the language of their Masters(the politicians).A number of agencies like the political parties,state babus,state police,para military forces,arms dealers and the maoists all have their own interests - if anyone understands it,he won&#039;t blame the poor &#039;fauji&#039;, who has all the responsibility but no authority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a well known fact that no Army Chief is allowed to speak his mind.From Sam to Rody to Malik to Kapoor.Recently the Navel Vice Chief had to render apology  for speaking his mind.Then, why blame them.They are made/expected to speak the language of their Masters(the politicians).A number of agencies like the political parties,state babus,state police,para military forces,arms dealers and the maoists all have their own interests &#8211; if anyone understands it,he won&#8217;t blame the poor &#8216;fauji&#8217;, who has all the responsibility but no authority.</p>
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		<title>By: Sadanand Patwardhan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sadanand Patwardhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the position of the government of India? 
&quot;&quot;The development paradigm pursued since independence has aggravated the prevailing discontent among marginalized sections of society. This is because the development paradigm as conceived by the policy makers has always been imposed on these communities, and therefore it has remained insensitive to their needs and concerns, causing irreparable damage to these sections. The benefits of this paradigm of development have been disproportionately cornered by the dominant sections at the expense of the poor, who have borne most of the costs. Development which is insensitive to the needs of these communities has invariably caused displacement and reduced them to a sub-human existence. In the case of tribes in particular it has ended up in destroying their social organisation, cultural identity, and resource base and generated multiple conflicts, undermining their communal solidarity, which cumulatively makes them increasingly vulnerable to exploitation&quot;. This is stated in Planning Commission document. Don&#039;t believe?, Read it here : (http://74.125.153.132/search?q=cache:iTCVNp2Q_ZYJ:planningcommission.gov.in/reports/publications/rep_dce.pdf+Planning+Commission+task+force+on+development+challenges+in+extremist-affected+areas&amp;cd=1&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=in).

I would suggest keeping eyes &amp; ears open, never believing what government says, and trying to find out what is actually happening.

Regards,
Sadanand
Satark.Blogspot.com
Satark.Wordpress.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the position of the government of India?<br />
&#8220;&#8221;The development paradigm pursued since independence has aggravated the prevailing discontent among marginalized sections of society. This is because the development paradigm as conceived by the policy makers has always been imposed on these communities, and therefore it has remained insensitive to their needs and concerns, causing irreparable damage to these sections. The benefits of this paradigm of development have been disproportionately cornered by the dominant sections at the expense of the poor, who have borne most of the costs. Development which is insensitive to the needs of these communities has invariably caused displacement and reduced them to a sub-human existence. In the case of tribes in particular it has ended up in destroying their social organisation, cultural identity, and resource base and generated multiple conflicts, undermining their communal solidarity, which cumulatively makes them increasingly vulnerable to exploitation&#8221;. This is stated in Planning Commission document. Don&#8217;t believe?, Read it here : (<a href="http://74.125.153.132/search?q=cache:iTCVNp2Q_ZYJ:planningcommission.gov.in/reports/publications/rep_dce.pdf+Planning+Commission+task+force+on+development+challenges+in+extremist-affected+areas&amp;cd=1&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=in" rel="nofollow">http://74.125.153.132/search?q=cache:iTCVNp2Q_ZYJ:planningcommission.gov.in/reports/publications/rep_dce.pdf+Planning+Commission+task+force+on+development+challenges+in+extremist-affected+areas&amp;cd=1&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=in</a>).</p>
<p>I would suggest keeping eyes &amp; ears open, never believing what government says, and trying to find out what is actually happening.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Sadanand<br />
Satark.Blogspot.com<br />
Satark.Wordpress.com</p>
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		<title>By: Pragmatic Euphony &#187; The tertium quid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pragmatic Euphony &#187; The tertium quid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 04:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the Indian army chief was happy labelling Maoism as a “socio-economic class struggle”, here is how Ai Ping, the director-general of the Communist Party of China’s Bureau 1 that [...]</description>
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		<title>By: NotReallyAnonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>NotReallyAnonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont even understand why the Army Chief gets called to such gatherings. Perhaps, people just do not realize the calibre of the the kind of leadership in the Indian Army today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont even understand why the Army Chief gets called to such gatherings. Perhaps, people just do not realize the calibre of the the kind of leadership in the Indian Army today.</p>
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		<title>By: Raja</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Pragmatic: &quot;From army day interviews to Indian involvement in Afghanistan, his statements betray his naivety. Certainly, an army chief ought to do better in today’s time and age.&quot;
At least there&#039;s one person keeping count of what the Chief said !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Pragmatic: &#8220;From army day interviews to Indian involvement in Afghanistan, his statements betray his naivety. Certainly, an army chief ought to do better in today’s time and age.&#8221;<br />
At least there&#8217;s one person keeping count of what the Chief said !</p>
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		<title>By: ask</title>
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		<dc:creator>ask</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with Arun Sahgal.The factual position on ground is what has been candidly stated by Army Chief &amp; this is what  everyone in the Armed Forces &amp; intellectuals in the know of the problem subsribes to.Even the PM in waiting talks the same privately.So it is only the GoI manned by currupt netas,  baboos &amp; their supporters like you who are responsible for creating this situation think &amp; state otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with Arun Sahgal.The factual position on ground is what has been candidly stated by Army Chief &amp; this is what  everyone in the Armed Forces &amp; intellectuals in the know of the problem subsribes to.Even the PM in waiting talks the same privately.So it is only the GoI manned by currupt netas,  baboos &amp; their supporters like you who are responsible for creating this situation think &amp; state otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Pragmatic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pragmatic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arun Sahgal:

Just one test for what the army chief says. Imagine a top politician or the police chief saying it and we would all label him as having no sense of information operations. Why have different yardsticks for a service chief?

Moreover, this is his not only gaffe. From army day interviews to Indian involvement in Afghanistan, his statements betray his naivety. Certainly, an army chief ought to do better in today&#039;s time and age.</description>
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<p>Just one test for what the army chief says. Imagine a top politician or the police chief saying it and we would all label him as having no sense of information operations. Why have different yardsticks for a service chief?</p>
<p>Moreover, this is his not only gaffe. From army day interviews to Indian involvement in Afghanistan, his statements betray his naivety. Certainly, an army chief ought to do better in today&#8217;s time and age.</p>
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		<title>By: kartik</title>
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		<dc:creator>kartik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 08:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>comments of army chief will not liked by peoples like you who are supporters of corrupt netas and baboos who mishandled the situation in such a way that now the tribals are forced to pick arms to fight for their rights. you require the heart of a soldier to understand that who loves his country. The corrupt netas and baboos can never understand this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>comments of army chief will not liked by peoples like you who are supporters of corrupt netas and baboos who mishandled the situation in such a way that now the tribals are forced to pick arms to fight for their rights. you require the heart of a soldier to understand that who loves his country. The corrupt netas and baboos can never understand this.</p>
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		<title>By: PV</title>
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		<dc:creator>PV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>af vc also vis opd at maj a&#039;s ispi centre v. kunj ?
other noble metal seem to have. 

cannot zip lips. even HH D. Lama ( today&#039;s TOI) talks of 
judicial pocket money</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>af vc also vis opd at maj a&#8217;s ispi centre v. kunj ?<br />
other noble metal seem to have. </p>
<p>cannot zip lips. even HH D. Lama ( today&#8217;s TOI) talks of<br />
judicial pocket money</p>
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		<title>By: ARUN SAHGAL</title>
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		<dc:creator>ARUN SAHGAL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am not sure weather remarks of the Indian Army chief deserve the kind of labelling you tend tp provide to his rather innocnt charectrisation. While there is no doubt that Maoists are a menace and needs to be curbed but it also needs to be recognised that it is a product of mis governance, petty politicking and inability of state to maintain law and order. 
It may come as surprise that many a political parties use these mercenries as their local thugs to garner votes and intimidate people. According to a former Chief secretary of one of the Naxal infected states, many a time he had to launch operations by keeping the CM and cabinet out o the loop because of the fear that they will compromise the operations.
It is time that Centre and States, get their act together by streamlining adminsitration, making police forces more efficent and above all instituting socio economic reforms and processes that address the issue.
Involvment of the Army because police forces are inept or unwilling is neither good or desirable. To thta extent i subscribe to the views of Army Chief</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am not sure weather remarks of the Indian Army chief deserve the kind of labelling you tend tp provide to his rather innocnt charectrisation. While there is no doubt that Maoists are a menace and needs to be curbed but it also needs to be recognised that it is a product of mis governance, petty politicking and inability of state to maintain law and order.<br />
It may come as surprise that many a political parties use these mercenries as their local thugs to garner votes and intimidate people. According to a former Chief secretary of one of the Naxal infected states, many a time he had to launch operations by keeping the CM and cabinet out o the loop because of the fear that they will compromise the operations.<br />
It is time that Centre and States, get their act together by streamlining adminsitration, making police forces more efficent and above all instituting socio economic reforms and processes that address the issue.<br />
Involvment of the Army because police forces are inept or unwilling is neither good or desirable. To thta extent i subscribe to the views of Army Chief</p>
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