Comments on: Exhorting Pakistani troops to fight the jehadis

By: Pragmatic Euphony » Why fight my Muslim brethren

Pragmatic Euphony » Why fight my Muslim brethren — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:47:55 +0000

[...] political establishment, the challenge for the Pakistani Army is equally grave. How does the Pakistan army justify the action against fellow Muslim brethren to its troops, that too in an Islamic Republic, with a pat history of associating closely with these Jehadis? [...]

By: Pragmatic Euphony » What did the PM say?

Pragmatic Euphony » What did the PM say? — Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:43:50 +0000

[...] for the state to justify the fight. And even helps a Brigade Commander in Pakistan army to easily motivate his troops to join the battle against the Taliban. Lest we forget, it doesn’t help India — even in a counter-intuitive manner — [...]

By: Pragmatic Euphony » Operation ‘Rah-e-Rast’

Pragmatic Euphony » Operation ‘Rah-e-Rast’ — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 04:09:55 +0000

[...] this also gives us a fair idea about how the senior leadership of Pakistan army is going to exhort its soldiers to fight the jehadis. 16 Jun 2009 | Concerning Afghanistan, India, Military, Pakistan, [...]

By: Ranter

Ranter — Sat, 09 May 2009 10:29:30 +0000

Pakistan’s military oligarchy can’t afford to discredit the militant concept of jihad just yet; mobilizing the masses through the call for jihad remains the final card to be played in the contest with India. Calling the Taliban Jews is both unbelievably silly, boneheaded, yet revealing. This is the level of mentality that exists among senior Pakistani army officers. Expect the PAKs to quickly disavow this propaganda. I’m afraid America is failing to perceive the average Pakistani need as much protection from the Army as they do the Taliban.

By: Pragmatic Euphony » Taliban is Jewish

Pragmatic Euphony » Taliban is Jewish — Sat, 09 May 2009 02:24:36 +0000

[...] army is broadcasting such far-fetched conspiracy theories — as Muslim versus Jews; there is no other way to urge an increasingly radicalised rank and file to take on the extremely radical co-religionist [...]

By: Pragmatic Euphony » Is this a COIN operation by Pakistan army?

Pragmatic Euphony » Is this a COIN operation by Pakistan army? — Fri, 08 May 2009 15:27:52 +0000

[...] hearts and minds. That’d be nearly impossible for any Pakistani general to achieve. How does he justify his action by his troops against their religious brethren and countrymen, extremist who are ostensibly fighting for what the [...]

By: Dr K Prabhakar Rao

Dr K Prabhakar Rao — Thu, 07 May 2009 14:03:00 +0000

THE INEVITABLE TRUTH

Pakistan is a real failed nation
It is burning like a fire grate
It is awaiting the tragic day
While it was founded on the grounds of hate

It is now at the mercy of Taliban
Who are reday to hijack the nation
They want to take back to medieval days
Jihad is their motto and wa and fashion

Soon Pakistan would break up
And sure to fade away into dark pages
All would play the music of joy
While what would remain is only few images

Dr K Prabhakar Rao

By: Dr K Prabhakar Rao

Dr K Prabhakar Rao — Thu, 07 May 2009 13:53:54 +0000

Dear Living Martyr

Wishful thinking indeed.

Dr K Prabhakar Rao

By: Being less of a threat to Pakistan | The Acorn

Being less of a threat to Pakistan | The Acorn — Thu, 07 May 2009 11:22:36 +0000

[...] makes the Pakistani army less able to throw more resources into the fight against the Taliban (see this post on Pragmatic [...]

By: Living Martyr Lt Col Veteran

Living Martyr Lt Col Veteran — Wed, 06 May 2009 12:02:14 +0000

Hi rejoice, for those who are fed on the nourishment of ferment of religious fever. Please read my comment some time back on this blog on the break up of Pakistan Army being the weakest link in this complete muddle. A muddle created by design by the Paki establihment to have a dream of strategic depth of security against us(INDIA) in the form of acquiring Afghanistan.Lets us be very clear TALIBAN is not an American creation, it was created after the American withdrawi in early nineties to fill up the vacuum in the area of interest not only by ISI but both by PAK ARMY assited by MULLAHAS and PAKI GOVT from the fertile grounds around Bhawalpur and Multan.

Before I proceed read my earlier comment somewhere else on this blog

4.Living Martyr Lt Col Veteran
March 10th, 2009 at 11:11 pm War for survival for Pakistan is a matter of time now. No doses of adrenal is going to ward off the demise and Balkanisation of the region encompassing Pakistan and Pakhtunistan,it is already under way. How and when may not be discerned at this stage but the weakest link in this compendium,at this stage to be ,unbelievable, is Pakistan Army. The foundations of destruction of Pakistan Army were laid ,even before it was evolved into existence. The reasons for this is the very concept on which the state of Pakistan was created. The imponderable issue of crisis in Pakistan Army to day is to find a delicate balance between religion and nationalism. It is for certain now that regional , tribal loyalties mired by religious shroud of TALIBS have over taken the apolitical national spirit of the armed forces, specially at the mid & PBOR level . SWAT is the test case, others will follow to make safe sanctuaries for further talibisation and balkanisation

NONE OF THE SOLUTIONS SUGGESTED ABOVE WILL WORK. THERE IS ONLY ONE OPTION LEFT OPEN FOR PAKIS—- SEND SOS FOR INDIAN ARMY OFFICERS TO LEAD PAK TROOPS, BE ASSURED THEY ARE GOOD TROOPS TO BE LED BY INDIAN OFFICERS. IF FIELD MARSHAL SAM COULD LEAD THEM IN HIS TIME WHY CANT PRESENT GENERATION IND ARMY OFFICERS!!!

By: Amit

Amit — Wed, 06 May 2009 03:09:02 +0000

Pakistan is a failed state !!
On a more sombre note , With the Pathans accounting for almost 30 % of Pakistan Army ,many commanders on the field being of the same ethnic stock as the insurgents , a propensity to use religion ,namely Islam , as a motivating force for their troops as a result of skewed pakistani policy of making Islam the state religion !! and what have you ? A disaster in the making or a full blown disaster ?
Will Pakistan win is not the big question , but how long will pakistan survive is the more relevant one.

By: Kannan

Kannan — Tue, 05 May 2009 17:00:04 +0000

Pakistan army Taliban are one and the same thing..
Today it is one strike corps hitting against another..
So its a difficult thing to sell to paki soldiers..assuming
pak officers are “willing or able” to do that..

To my mind..Pak Army’s fight with Taliban is a martial dance..to impress Americans..until they lose their guts and run from Afghanistan..

By: k_ram

k_ram — Tue, 05 May 2009 16:37:35 +0000

Pakistani leaders need to introspect as to the causative conditions that have brought this nation to the present impasse. Unless the soul searching is done, what we are likely to see is that the slow poisoning that has been happening since the Zia days will be taken to the logical conclusion i.e. Pakistan emerging as a rogue nation and being the epicentre of instability for the entire South and Central Asian region. India will of course continue to suffer but the Chinese mentors should also start worrying.

At the cost of being impolitic, IMHO that the debate of Pakistan would ultimately be extended to the main root of the problem –
What is the place of Islam in the 21st century?
Will this question be debated seriously by the Muslim intelligentsia?
The all or nothing position of Islam and by extension everything else that came into being at the birth of this religion makes it impossible for a practising muslim to look at his religion critically.
Judasim and Christianity went through violent convulsions before attaining stability. Stability, in essence, came with the division of thought between a majority of moderates and a minority of extremists with the moderates winning over. The ‘Book’ was also reinterpreted and adapted to allow for modernity.
Till such time the centrality of the thought that the ‘Book’ is not open to liberal interpretation and the clergy is not to be questioned by the laity, medieval justice will continue to prevail and the world will be all the worse for it. The problems of AF-PAK and of the balance of the Islamic world will keep till this renaissance happens!

By: Mangusta

Mangusta — Tue, 05 May 2009 16:36:27 +0000

The men are likely to be asleep (with their eyes open!) by the time the brigade commander is halfway through any of the options. And I’d give my right arm to know what they think of the divisional commander’s diction!
Instead, how about ‘rule of law’, ‘writ of the state’, to name a few simple straight forward ones.

This is going to be a long war (best case scenario) in which leading from the front by regimental officers will matter rather than pep talk. People, in a CI campaign, are the factor. They invariably go for the side that is winning. So, psyops should come only after destroying the organised fighting capability of TTP.

You are giving to much credence to religion. Once the battalions get on their grids and the real shooting starts, the campaign is likely to take a life of its own. What the PA requires is to get a Vareingte of their own. Fast.

BTW, what is Mullen using to motivate his pongos in Afganistan?

“This conclusively points to only one thing”…… that the US is the big bully that we need to match up to.